This morning, the Dispatch updated the story we wrote about yesterday when Kasich talked about how failure of Issue 2 would embolden the private unions and somehow card check in Ohio would become law.

That wasn’t the half of it (literally):

Kasich also warned yesterday that if Senate Bill 5 were repealed “don’t be surprised if you see an increase in the (commercial-activities) tax to bail out a pension system.”

“Some of these pension systems are in bad shape,” Kasich said. “It’s not the end of the world, but I’ll tell you it’s a setback. And I’m all in.”

Senate Bill 5 would no longer let governments pick up their employees’ share of pension payments — however, it would not generate more money to help the pension systems’ financial situations. Lawmakers are looking at public-pension solvency separately from Senate Bill 5.

Governor John Kasich wouldn’t raise taxes to pay for the megabazillion deficit he said Ohio had (even though, in reality, the State was running a surplus), and instead slashed funding for local governments and schools instead….  Yet, if labor prevails and defeats Issue 2, Kasich says he will raise taxes on businesses to help labor?

This sounds more like an extortion threat.  As the Dispatch notes, Kasich cannot honestly believe that Issue 2 improves the solvency of the pensions, because there’s nothing in the bill for him to claim that. 

We’ve heard rumors that Kasich had a private meeting with business leaders in Cincinnati in which he was essentially shaking down the business community there to donate to Building a Better Ohio and defend Issue 2.  We heard Kasich personally offended some of the business folks.

Kasich tends to repeat what he says.  I’m starting to wonder if Kasich has said this before.  Like in Cincinnati, and in other meetings in which he’s trying to get the business community to support Issue 2.

What I can’t tell is if Kasich is just insulting their intelligence or outright threatening them with retribution if they don’t help him to prevail.  Probably both?

How does this guy keep raising money?!?

  • Annekarina

    Geez….he’s not even fun to play….he’s all mouth and threats….no brains and all brawn…the kind of folk that you don’t even want to see their cards, just take your money and walk away from the table.  Game over. 

  • He’s in self-destruct mode.  Pissing off his business allies proves it.  He’s always been the bully we thought he was.  Now, even the CD is beginning to see how unstable this guy is.  But we have to keep our focus on the target and not let up for a moment.  This guy may be crazy- but crazy like a fox.  I do have 1 suggestion for a great ad the week before the election.  Just have John Glenn speak directly to the voters and tell them why he is opposing Issue 2.  I guarantee this would be a winner!…Jim, Columbus

  • He’s in self-destruct mode.  Pissing off his business allies proves it.  He’s always been the bully we thought he was.  Now, even the CD is beginning to see how unstable this guy is.  But we have to keep our focus on the target and not let up for a moment.  This guy may be crazy- but crazy like a fox.  I do have 1 suggestion for a great ad the week before the election.  Just have John Glenn speak directly to the voters and tell them why he is opposing Issue 2.  I guarantee this would be a winner!…Jim, Columbus

  • He’s in self-destruct mode.  Pissing off his business allies proves it.  He’s always been the bully we thought he was.  Now, even the CD is beginning to see how unstable this guy is.  But we have to keep our focus on the target and not let up for a moment.  This guy may be crazy- but crazy like a fox.  I do have 1 suggestion for a great ad the week before the election.  Just have John Glenn speak directly to the voters and tell them why he is opposing Issue 2.  I guarantee this would be a winner!…Jim, Columbus

  • Anonymous

    I talked to someone tonight who had a meeting with Kasich recently and said he was “a brat” and “arrogant.” Nice. Just what Ohio needs. Unfortunately, meaningful, positive change can only come when all stakeholders participate and are heard, not when a bully imposes change by threats.

  • Anonymous

    Can you please enlighten me and explain how the state was actually running a surplus as opposed to as you put a ‘megabazillian deficit’? I am curious as I’ve spoken to many very liberal democrats about the budget issue and not one of them have brought up what you stated, that the state was actually running a surplus. 

  • Anonymous

    You would think even John Kasich would see it’s not a good idea to piss off your base.

  • eraser1998

    This should be screamed from the mountaintop –

    ALL the state public employee pension plans had reform plans prepared to bring the plans back to solvency that involved deep cuts in benefits and significant contribution hikes from employees with NO extra taxpayer contributions.  These were done BEFORE SB5 came along.  Kasich had put implementation of those plans on hold for no apparent reason,  but now its clear he is prepared to try to make it look like SB5 is responsible for those reforms, and failure of SB5 means that he’ll have to raise taxes on the public to pay for pensions.

    Look, if you can reform the pensions WITHOUT SB5 OR any extra public contributions, then clearly failure of SB5 does not mean that taxes have to be raised to pay for pensions.

  • kmo

    Question:  Sorry but what is meant by by ‘card check’? Sorry but if someone could explain, I would appreciate the term explanation.

  • Ron

    “Some of these pension systems are in bad shape,” Kasich said.

    My pension system is in a hell of a lot better shape than Lehman Brothers…!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link, it was a good read.

  • Anonymous

    Kasich is in panic mode.

    The republican controlled legislature won’t go for any  corporate tax increases and he knows it. They aren’t about to cut off their campaign bribes coming from their corporate sponsors.

  • Like I said before taxes on businesses and card check? Me thinks I like this threat.

  • Delco

    John, let’s cut the B.S.  You and I both know that OPERS has been in business since around the time of the Great Depression and has never asked for or needed a taxpayer bailout.  In fact, state law has long-assured that won’t happen because retiree pensions are 100 percent funded at the time the member retires.  Like “card check”, your “taxpayer bailout” threat is the classic Rove/GOP dog whistle to manipulate the uninformed voter to support your ALEC agenda.  Defined-pension plans, like PERS, are the bane of a corporation’s existence.  Corporations do not want to answer to organized large-block investors like lowly public service employee pension plans, and your Lehman-like brokerage fraudsters salivate like a piano player in  a whorehouse, fantasizing about managing millions of individual portfolios when Social Security and defined pension plans are history. 

  • luv2teach

    Thank you for your perspective. I get it now.

  • Anonymous

    I saw Kasich’s ugly mug twice the other night on the TV (China Mike Bell’s was sandwiched in between them), not the last thing I want to see after the 11:00 pm news before I turn out the lights.  I have to say that he is looking worse for the wear and sounding more desperate than ever.  I’m sure there are people (with “R” after their names) who like what he is selling them and think he has heaven’s number on his cell phone’s speed dial, but to me it was just disgusting to see a prune face, lame sock-puppet like him coming over the airwaves to a TV in my bedroom.  Who does his make-up, Dr. Seuss?  I’ve seen better jobs in “B” zombie movies. The setting must be one of the last tree stands in Ohio before they put in an oil derrick or rice paddy.  And as for China Mike, he can go suck an egg-role. 
     
    By the way, I don’t like these guys, and it sounds like maybe I’m not the only one.

  • He reminds me more & more of Hitler.

  • He reminds me more & more of Hitler

  • umm sounds easy enough…cut there pay/etc..exactly as issue 2 states…to CIVIL WORKERS…lets see how they adjust..the fear..isnt workn johnny..more people fear how ur destroyn ohio…how about..taxn the rich n ummm..u n ur crew? level it out

  • Having worked in local government as well as the state of Ohio and as a former local union president, I find this all quite amusing.  John Kasich is the perennial bully who soon will be forced to take his toys and go home.   I watched numerous administrations come and go from Broad and High in Columbus.  Normally the first thing they do is halt all hiring.  Then they get the new office furniture that replaces what the other party has sat on for 4 years.  Not this guy!  He didn’t even wait for his suit to get wet after jumping in.  When you have always been a boss (or at least thought you were) you end up with BS legislation like SB 5.  The most horrendous part of this whole thing has had actually no mention.  That is the part where endless numbers of state legislators have blindly followed this numb skull right up to the ballot box gallows because they thought they had to do what he said and do no research or gain any knowledge to find out what a piece of crap legislation it really was.  There ultimate reward will come at the polls the next time they have to run for reelection.  Billy Bob and his two brothers named Darrell will have a better chance of getting elected than they well.  That is too bad, there were a lot of good people led to the slaughter.
    In west central Ohio, the rank and file union people are either right on or above the levels of funding he has called for.  In Darke County, there is one person whose 10% pension contribution is being picked up by the county and he is an administrator.  So what did the union have to do with that one?
    If SB 5 was really needed, can you imagine how good it could have been if some labor people and some bosses with 20 years of experience in had a little input.  

  • demydo

    I’ve known Kasich since he was a young Ohio Rep.  He was a spoiled brat then and is still a brat.  You nailed it anastasjoy – Brat.  He will never give up but he’s digging his own hole.

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