Senator Karen GillmorTonight Senator Gillmor (R-Tiffin) held a town hall meeting in one of the school districts in her district. A music educator from central Ohio, who asked to remain anonymous, live blogged the event on their Twitter account last night.

[NOTE:  We are relying on information provided third-hand and have not had an opportunity to independently verify the alleged attendee’s reporting.  That being said, we were aware of such a meeting in her district yesterday scheduled for tonight.]

I believe that his reporting is credible based on it references things we have been told off the record from multiple Senate sources already.  We have a person on the record who claims they were at this event and this is what Gillmor said.  We will seek to confirm it with Gillmor’s office to be sure, but it appears to be credible to us.  In the meantime, we leave it for you to decided for yourself.

Here’s what the teacher reported:Gillmor Tweets1

Gillmor Tweets2

Senate President Tom Niehaus told the media that every member of the Senate was free to vote their conscience, that there was no arm twisting.  Earlier tonight,  Senator LaRose issued a statement with a similar claim.

It’s utter horseshit.  I’m sorry, it’s the only word that adequately describes what a ridiculous claim this is.  You don’t vote to recommit the bill to the committee, and then when it fails, VOTE FOR THE bill.   Period.  This does not happen.  That’s what LaRose did.  LaRose’s statement is so full of crap, you have to wonder if he has YET to read the actual bill he passed.

image LaRose’s statement does not explain away the unexplainable.  How he could a) possibly, truly believe that this bill’s flaws were fixed; and b) if they were “fixed” after his amendment, why then was his next vote to delay a floor vote and send the bill back to committee for additional work.

Senator, you didn’t eliminate the language that could subject strikers to imprisonment, you just weakened it.  Strikers can still be subjected to imprisonment and can face losing their jobs to permanent replacements and be fined.  You, sir, are lying to your own constituents.  And you’re fooling nobody in doing it.

Senator, not even your Majority Floor Leader believes this bill has been fixed, even though he, too, voted for it:

"This still is not final yet," [Majority Floor Leader Jimmy Stewart] said. "There is still more work to be done. I’m confident that the House will put some more work into it."

And then there’s Senator Gillmor who reportedly admitted tonight: SB 5 “is a bad bill.”  You know, Senator LaRose, she was referring to the actual bill you both voted for.  It’s so bad that Senator Gillmor said something I’ve never heard someone say about legislation they had just voted for—I’ll be the first to sign a petition to put it on the ballot to repeal it.

Gillmor attacked the Senate leadership: “What kind of leadership is that?”  And then she said that her sole reason to vote for the bill was so that her caucus would “leave Gail Manning alone!”

LeaveManningAloneIf as Senate President Niehaus and LaRose claims, the votes were “not based political considerations or outside pressure,” then why was Bill Seitz not free to vote freely on the Senate Insurance, Labor and Commerce Committee?  Why was Scott Oelslager not free to vote his conscious in the Senate Rules Committee?  And why did Senator Gillmor say she needed to vote against her own conscious because she wanted the rest of her caucus to lay of Senator Manning?  Why, if the Senate Republicans were free, is Karen Gillmor saying she cannot wait to sign a petition to repeal a bill she was arguably the deciding vote?

Again, why, if the bill’s defects had been corrected, did LaRose vote to “kill the bill,” only then vote to pass the bill?  Just because Senator LaRose served our country honorably in combat in uniform does not mean he is incapable of serving dishonorably in politics.  He wouldn’t be the first.  Duke Cunningham was a decorated Naval pilot, after all.   People can serve in the military and then lie.  Or have we all forgotten Treasurer Mandel’s Muslim-baiting ad?  LaRose is lying and so is President Niehaus (again.)

We’ll look into these allegations, particularly Gillmor’s other comment that there is a provision in this bill that will raise costs by a factor of five, but what Gilmor reportedly said is surprising and disturbing.

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  • Nstick13

    This might just be one of the strangest things I’ve ever read. Also, how can I FWD an e-mail to you?

  • Good thing you made screen shots of those tweets. He deleted them. A follower of his who retweeted them also deleted those retweets.

    I also saved screen shots in anticipation of the deletion.

  • Pelikan

    Nice work.

  • Anonymous

    “She is promising it will get overturned on referendum. We are telling her we wish she hadn’t bet our livelioods on that.”

    This is where everyone gets up and leaves.

    Gilmor is obviously doing damage control. But words don’t reverse this kind of damage. She betrayed her constituents. I admire her gall, but her signature on that bill said more than she can ever say in any meeting. She’s either spineless, or a liar. Either way, she should look for a new job.

    I echo Pelikan. Nice work Plunderbund. I hope this hits the mainstream media.

  • Bob

    Please report that Sen. Gillmor does NOT live in her district. She resides in Dublin (Tartan Fields) and her kids attended Dublin schools. Everyone calls out John Husted for not living in his district, but she has gotten away with this for years. My point is that she is not in touch at all with the people who vote for her and this town meeting illustrates that. She votes for the bill but then says how flawed it it.

  • Bob

    Please report that Sen. Gillmor does NOT live in her district. She resides in Dublin (Tartan Fields) and her kids attended Dublin schools. Everyone calls out John Husted for not living in his district, but she has gotten away with this for years. My point is that she is not in touch at all with the people who vote for her and this town meeting illustrates that. She votes for the bill but then says how flawed it it.

  • Anonymous

    He contacted us because he wished to stay anonymous. That’s why he deleted the tweets. We countered with the offer to redact his identity and image, and he agreed. We still have the original screen shots as well, just in case.

  • Anonymous

    modernesquire-at-yahoo-dot-com.

  • Dubliner

    I think her house is actually across the Union Cty line, putting her in her own district. But she lives in Tiffin about as much as Husted lives in Kettering.

  • Anonymous

    Wait… we’re not mainstream?

  • smokeater

    I was at the meeting and Sen. Gillmor said that she would have to think about signing a petition. I went to her office Wednesday morning prior to her arrival at the statehouse and she had two thugs from the Governors office sitting in her office waiting for her to arrive. If nobody was pressured for a vote why were the thugs waiting in the office for her. She also stated last night that she was not the deciding vote. In her opinion the senate president was that vote and she just made it 16-16.

  • Ingthing

    The Marion Star (report by Kurt Moore) is reporting that there was no discussion of SB5 during this meeting, but that Gillmore met privately with teachers and union members after the meeting.

  • jamie

    Shannon Jones will be live chatting with readers of the Cincinnati Enquirer at 11 AM today
    http://bit.ly/aCoZim

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=chats

  • Indiana’s top elections official was just indicted for voter fraud for lying about his residence. If Sen. Gillmor is lying about where she lives, sounds like it’s in her future as well.

  • Maybe they should unionize… so they can fight back against harassment from management.

  • Maybe they should unionize… so they can fight back against harassment from management.

  • Feasant_plucker69

    Bye Bye Unions

  • Anonymous

    Whaa??

  • Rsmith

    This came from an email from OEA today:

    It lends some credence to what Sen. Gilmor said about protecting freshman senator Gayle Manning….

    Your State Senator, Sen. Gayle Manning, voted against the bill on final passage. However, just before that vote, she provided the decisive vote against an attempt to recommit, or stop the bill from moving forward. Had Sen. Manning voted the other way on the motion to recommit, there would have been a majority voting to send the bill back to committee and there would not have been a floor vote for final passage yesterday.

    This complicated legislative process can be simplified down to this: Sen. Manning provided a decisive vote to keep the legislation alive during a procedural vote, but then later voted against SB 5 on the question of final passage.

    After receiving this, I take back what I previously said about owing Sen. Manning an apology…she still owes us an apology! And she needs to go….

  • Chris

    What employer costs are going up 500% and what entities are involved here. I’m meeting with my rep. on Sunday and any further info. on this would be greatly appreciated.

  • cleprof

    this is hilarious! this is the message i received from gillmor in response to my earlier email urging her to vote against SB5. the fact that her language reflects no responsibility for the passage of this bill is absolutely ridiculous.

    Thank you for your recent message concerning Senate Bill 5, the “Public Employee Collective Bargaining Bill.” As you know, the bill was passed out of the Senate this week, with Senate President Tom Niehaus casting the deciding vote. From the Senate it will move to the Ohio House of Representatives, where I hope that there will be much vigorous debate and discussion about its provisions.

    Again, I appreciate hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

    Karen L. Gillmor

  • cleprof

    this is hilarious! this is the message i received from gillmor in response to my earlier email urging her to vote against SB5. the fact that her language reflects no responsibility for the passage of this bill is absolutely ridiculous.

    Thank you for your recent message concerning Senate Bill 5, the “Public Employee Collective Bargaining Bill.” As you know, the bill was passed out of the Senate this week, with Senate President Tom Niehaus casting the deciding vote. From the Senate it will move to the Ohio House of Representatives, where I hope that there will be much vigorous debate and discussion about its provisions.

    Again, I appreciate hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

    Karen L. Gillmor

  • stryx

    It sounds like the Ohio Republicans were paying attention when Bush Tax Cut got passed. Or maybe it was when the Medicare Part D was passed.

    And the razor thin margin among the Republicans was preceded by legislative shenanigans from the Republicans.

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  • Anonymous

    Read what you wrote. This is not journalism. It’s drivel.
    “We are relying on information provided third-hand and have not had an opportunity to independently verify the alleged attendee’s reporting.”

  • Toxic

    Larose forgot what his Green Beret motto “de oppresso liber” means”!

  • Toxic

    Larose forgot what his Green Beret motto “de oppresso liber” means”!

  • Tmollaun

    Can’t wait for the back-up report!

  • JJColsOh

    On February 22, 2011, some of the People were massed at the East entrance to the Statehouse. No one was going in that way. The crowd knew it and many remarked that it was ‘not right.’ My friends and I walked around to the West entrance. There was a line and it was not moving. I did see some people coming out of the building, but I got the impression that they were office workers and not members of our group. Returning from taking a picture of the “SB 5 IS CLASS WAR” sign, I was informed by one of my friends that “they are not letting anybody in.” We shook our heads in disbelief. The next day, I heard about the Banquet. I did not want to believe it. I did not believe it. Our political opponents would not lock us out in the cold and celebrate it. No way. Locking the People out of their own House is wrong in any century and despicable in any decade. It did not happen in Washington, DC. It did not happen in Wisconsin. It did happen in Ohio. I was there.

    Looking back, it was very cold outside that day… and more than anything else about SB 5, this incident continues to cut me to the bone. The quasi-monarchical attitude assumed by those who sponsored and attended the Banquet is almost Unconstitutional in scope. The “Let them eat cake” mentality is, I believe, primarily indicative of the motivations of the people who sponsored the Banquet and wrote SB 5, for, surely, this Bill was not written by the legislator who introduced it. It is beyond her ken. She is only a Messenger and is neither a denizen of their Social Class, nor a member of their Wall Street Country Club. More than anything, the Banquet reminds me of a 4th of July BBQ in the old post-war South. The white sharecroppers invited up to the Big House for a back-slapping good time and celebrate another year of racial segregation and political disenfranchisement for some and economic oppression for almost everyone. SB 5 is an unbridled and poorly-concealed attempt to change the American Social Contract… without negotiation. It is, like the sign said, a declaration of Class War. It is why we need a strong Federal Government that establishes Civil Rights, protects Labor Law and mandates for Health Care. The States’ Rights mischief that these Constitutional Usurpers attempt has ever been more possible and within their reach at the state level.

    I categorically and easily forgive Any and All who attended the Banquet. On a cold day in February, I would probably have taken a coffee and a sandwich, too. The Founders of that Feast, however, are an entirely different matter. It is going to take a lot of verifying before I trust them again, but it is possible and probable and even desirable and necessary to do so. Change is necessary. It is inevitable. And, it is the right and the responsibility of All of the People to negotiate the New American Social Contract.

  • JJColsOh

    On February 22, 2011, some of the People were massed at the East entrance to the Statehouse. No one was going in that way. The crowd knew it and many remarked that it was ‘not right.’ My friends and I walked around to the West entrance. There was a line and it was not moving. I did see some people coming out of the building, but I got the impression that they were office workers and not members of our group. Returning from taking a picture of the “SB 5 IS CLASS WAR” sign, I was informed by one of my friends that “they are not letting anybody in.” We shook our heads in disbelief. The next day, I heard about the Banquet. I did not want to believe it. I did not believe it. Our political opponents would not lock us out in the cold and celebrate it. No way. Locking the People out of their own House is wrong in any century and despicable in any decade. It did not happen in Washington, DC. It did not happen in Wisconsin. It did happen in Ohio. I was there.

    Looking back, it was very cold outside that day… and more than anything else about SB 5, this incident continues to cut me to the bone. The quasi-monarchical attitude assumed by those who sponsored and attended the Banquet is almost Unconstitutional in scope. The “Let them eat cake” mentality is, I believe, primarily indicative of the motivations of the people who sponsored the Banquet and wrote SB 5, for, surely, this Bill was not written by the legislator who introduced it. It is beyond her ken. She is only a Messenger and is neither a denizen of their Social Class, nor a member of their Wall Street Country Club. More than anything, the Banquet reminds me of a 4th of July BBQ in the old post-war South. The white sharecroppers invited up to the Big House for a back-slapping good time and celebrate another year of racial segregation and political disenfranchisement for some and economic oppression for almost everyone. SB 5 is an unbridled and poorly-concealed attempt to change the American Social Contract… without negotiation. It is, like the sign said, a declaration of Class War. It is why we need a strong Federal Government that establishes Civil Rights, protects Labor Law and mandates for Health Care. The States’ Rights mischief that these Constitutional Usurpers attempt has ever been more possible and within their reach at the state level.

    I categorically and easily forgive Any and All who attended the Banquet. On a cold day in February, I would probably have taken a coffee and a sandwich, too. The Founders of that Feast, however, are an entirely different matter. It is going to take a lot of verifying before I trust them again, but it is possible and probable and even desirable and necessary to do so. Change is necessary. It is inevitable. And, it is the right and the responsibility of All of the People to negotiate the New American Social Contract.

  • JJColsOh

    On February 22, 2011, some of the People were massed at the East entrance to the Statehouse. No one was going in that way. The crowd knew it and many remarked that it was ‘not right.’ My friends and I walked around to the West entrance. There was a line and it was not moving. I did see some people coming out of the building, but I got the impression that they were office workers and not members of our group. Returning from taking a picture of the “SB 5 IS CLASS WAR” sign, I was informed by one of my friends that “they are not letting anybody in.” We shook our heads in disbelief. The next day, I heard about the Banquet. I did not want to believe it. I did not believe it. Our political opponents would not lock us out in the cold and celebrate it. No way. Locking the People out of their own House is wrong in any century and despicable in any decade. It did not happen in Washington, DC. It did not happen in Wisconsin. It did happen in Ohio. I was there.

    Looking back, it was very cold outside that day… and more than anything else about SB 5, this incident continues to cut me to the bone. The quasi-monarchical attitude assumed by those who sponsored and attended the Banquet is almost Unconstitutional in scope. The “Let them eat cake” mentality is, I believe, primarily indicative of the motivations of the people who sponsored the Banquet and wrote SB 5, for, surely, this Bill was not written by the legislator who introduced it. It is beyond her ken. She is only a Messenger and is neither a denizen of their Social Class, nor a member of their Wall Street Country Club. More than anything, the Banquet reminds me of a 4th of July BBQ in the old post-war South. The white sharecroppers invited up to the Big House for a back-slapping good time and celebrate another year of racial segregation and political disenfranchisement for some and economic oppression for almost everyone. SB 5 is an unbridled and poorly-concealed attempt to change the American Social Contract… without negotiation. It is, like the sign said, a declaration of Class War. It is why we need a strong Federal Government that establishes Civil Rights, protects Labor Law and mandates for Health Care. The States’ Rights mischief that these Constitutional Usurpers attempt has ever been more possible and within their reach at the state level.

    I categorically and easily forgive Any and All who attended the Banquet. On a cold day in February, I would probably have taken a coffee and a sandwich, too. The Founders of that Feast, however, are an entirely different matter. It is going to take a lot of verifying before I trust them again, but it is possible and probable and even desirable and necessary to do so. Change is necessary. It is inevitable. And, it is the right and the responsibility of All of the People to negotiate the New American Social Contract.

  • LaRose , will NOT be re-elected … That is Priceless….

  • Thelmasag1201

    They gave raises to non – union (exempt) employees by increasing the margins of E pay classifications these are mostly upper level management. 2nd If they do away with pay classification it will cost a ton of money to determine what the new pay classifications should be 1. They need fact finding committees, research, etc. The pay classification are set because they have already had fact findings committee etc. so it is a waste of money to do it all over again. That is all I am sure about.

  • Ctoddbrink

    Gillmor’s hanging with the same greedy swine her late husband hung with before he died tripping down its third or fourth home’s stairs. It reappointed another Lemming for the lemming population that is now learning what its leaders do; some are escaping the stampede, thank God; it’s such a wasted foreseen process to require a referrendum to shift the majority, but I pray IF it goes that far, the workers win with new record numbers and better local and national agreements that also expose the accountants, lawyers, and bogus businesses that expend tax exempt expenses and time wasting our time when they should be audited and corrected forever!

  • Rob

    Has Gilmor signed the petition to Repeal?

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