Nick at BSB just posted this video of Ronald Reagan saying forming unions and striking are a “basic rights”.

Reagan was talking about Poland, but the basic rights are still the same…

 
  • pragmatic_one

    Don’t worry. These guys have not hit rock bottom yet. They’ll throw Reagan under the bus as a Socialist if they have to.

  • I’ll make this a final warning my anonymous friend. Don’t come here with your lies, half truths, and poorly thought out arguments. You will lose every time. This is not your average wingnut website where you might get away with posting crap like this.

    It took me all of 2 minutes to debunk this crap, doing the same kind of research you could have easily done. FDR was not against public sector unions. In fact, he said:

    “The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.”

    You are lying and you won’t get away with it here, so stop trying.

  • Firemans

    Today’s hard right seeks total dominion. It’s packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself!!!!!!

  • pragmatic one

    Eric, it doesn’t matter. The modern conservative movement is just the next generation of people pointing and screaming “Look !! Over there !! That’s the REAL problem !!” while totally ignoring the actual real problems. They want to be told everything is OK. At various points in history they have blamed blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, unions, environmentalists, immigrants (currently it is the Mexicans), etc…it just goes on and on. They are back to public employee unions now. Or, as they refer to them “union thugs”. Yes, they fear the thuggery that your average middle aged female 3rd grade teacher can wield upon them.

    Next election cycle they will have moved on to something else still not understanding why gas costs $5 a gallon, why the weather just keeps weirder and weirder, or why their wages are stagnating while their rich uncle just keeps getting tax breaks. Yeah, it must be the social programs. Get rid of them and we’ll be back on track.

  • You know what PO? I find it really curious who these wingnuts consider “goons”. Not the corporate interests financing union busting Governors, but hard working men and women. You know, the ones they used to wrap themselves in the flag and praise as heroes.

    The level to which they’ll stoop is breathtakingly low.

  • Adrienne

    Agreed Eric nt

  • pragmatic one

    Barely two years after an almost complete financial meltdown created by by dergulation/failure of regulators to enfore laws on the books, the ‘government should just get out of the way’ crowd is back in full force screeching away through an army of bribed politicians and the wingnut media of Fox, the AM radio spectrum and CNBC. And, unfortunately, the Columbus Dispatch appears to have taken a gigantic gulp of the Kool-Aid.

    Not even one year after the worst environmental catastrophe in U.S. history, the ‘drill baby drill’ crowd is already back and they want to cut EPA by30%. Not even one year has gone by and the oil addicts are just doubling down their bets.

    Income inequality at the level we are approaching has in other nations created incredible instability, chaos even bloody revolutions. Solution? Move to a more a regressive tax system and crush unions. Of course.

    I don’t think any of this is going to end well.

  • pragmatic one

    Barely two years after an almost complete financial meltdown created by by dergulation/failure of regulators to enfore laws on the books, the ‘government should just get out of the way’ crowd is back in full force screeching away through an army of bribed politicians and the wingnut media of Fox, the AM radio spectrum and CNBC. And, unfortunately, the Columbus Dispatch appears to have taken a gigantic gulp of the Kool-Aid.

    Not even one year after the worst environmental catastrophe in U.S. history, the ‘drill baby drill’ crowd is already back and they want to cut EPA by30%. Not even one year has gone by and the oil addicts are just doubling down their bets.

    Income inequality at the level we are approaching has in other nations created incredible instability, chaos even bloody revolutions. Solution? Move to a more a regressive tax system and crush unions. Of course.

    I don’t think any of this is going to end well.

  • You’re wrong and your reading comprehension is also poor. FDR was not against
    public sector unions. He was against them striking. Big difference. Read it again. Slower.

  • Michael

    Everybody does realize that Ohio SB 5 has no impact on private sector unions nor does it prohibit or even discourage formation or participation in public sector unions; Right?

    The forceful surpression by the communist commissars of labor organization in Gadansk, Poland to which President Ronald Reagan is referring to in the very brief video clip (which is given no context) is dealing with the very opportunity of the Polish people to organize and participate in work-place and political discussion in anyway. The people of Poland were being denied rights to freely assemble, exercise free speech in any form, seek reasonable workplace safety and basic health protections, receive a living wage and have necessary access to food and other necessary goods and services -or as President Reagan called them: “Basic Rights”.

    It is an extreme reach to compare the conditions of the people in communist Poland to Ohio’s public service employees. We (I proudly was a public servant before disability retirement due to ALS (aka Lou Gerhigs disease) still have our rights to freely assembled, speak our view points, organize, safely participate in the political process work in a safe environment and are not being denied access to food or any other basic goods and services.

    Just months before my illness took me out of the work force, the then democrat administration slashed my disability coverage by half; so, I speak from a positions of great experience when I say I am sympathetic to the current concerns of the public sector employees.

    In my experience in both the public and private sectors, Ohio’s public servants are as hard-working, talented, skilled and dedicated as their private sector counterparts and are fairly remunerated for their work.

    Likewise my experience as public servant and a steward of the taxpayers dollars showed me that our public coffers are in great demand. Currently, those demands are creating a serious crisis. Looking at changes up to and including changes in public sector collective bargaining practices is a reasonable consideration.

    Fortunately, no one in Ohio is in danger of facing anything near to the oppression faced by the people of Poland that President Reagan so eloquently spoke to in the video clip shown above.

  • Somebody

    So keep the current system and put a no strike clause in, then it truly becomes about bargaining!!! I’m not sure what industry you work in, but would you be willing to let the government dictate your salary? Public servants are caught in the middle of a political pissing match between the extremes with absolutely no voice if you take away our unions!!!

  • Guest

    How would you possibly know who is and who isn’t oppressed in this country? This is about money and control. The R’s hate people so the control the money to steal for those who have more. The haves have more and the remainder of us have less and we fight over moldy crumbs. They could care less about people. More money for them more government for their friends less of both for us. This is an attempt to get rid of the the next set of uppity n’s called the middle class since we make too much money and make too mcu trouble. Amerca for rich people only.

  • Adrienne

    Here let me try again with spell check: How would you possibly know who is and who isn’t oppressed in this country? This is about money and control. The R’s hate people so the control the money to steal for those who have more. The haves have more and the remainder of us have less and we fight over moldy crumbs. They could care less about people. More money for them more government for their friends less of both for us. This is an attempt to get rid of the the next set of uppity n’s called the middle class since we make too much money and make too much trouble. America for rich people only.

    Oh and Reagan was lying because he was talking and I hope he is burning in h***. He set the low down dirty dog racists free.

  • Neal Palmquist

    “I’ll leave it to our readers to read the entirety of the letter and judge whether FDR was indeed “against public sector unions”.

    This was in response to how he said he looked for only two minutes and disproved that FDR was against public sector unions. Perhaps if he looked longer he would have found the information that he claims was a lie.

    Yes, I would be willing to let the government dictate my salary if I was working for the government. I have a voice and I never had a union job. I wouldn’t want one, either. That’s just me.

  • Anonymous

    Again “Neal” that just says FDR didn’t believe that public unions shouldn’t have the right to strike, especially public safety employees. That’s not the same thing as saying he was against collective bargaining ENTIRELY.

  • Michael

    Please read the 4th paragraph in FDR’s 1937 letter to Steward. It clearly and unambiguously speaks to FDR’s opposition to public sector collective bargaining.

    This repeated effort to claim FDR was only against public sector strikes is blatantly dishonest.

    Time to man-up, push past your embarrassment, and admit that you you either became confused while reading FDR’s letter or you have been caught in a lie.

    While you may fear that you will loose blog credibility, be assured that damage is already done. Now you are left with salvaging self-respect. Your colleague, Eric, has already had his back side handed to him on this very issue. Please show some integrity.

    Below is the entire text of FDR’s letter:

    August 16, 1937

    My dear Mr. Steward:
    As I am unable to accept your kind invitation to be present on the occasion of the Twentieth Jubilee Convention of the National Federation of Federal Employees, I am taking this method of sending greetings and a message.

    Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades “has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships.” Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.

    The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

    Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.”

    I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.
    Very sincerely yours,

    Mr. Luther C. Steward,
    President,
    National Federation of Federal Employees,
    10 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C.

  • Anonymous

    You seem to miss the operative word “as usually understood.” Anyways, watch the name calling.

  • Anonymous

    You seem to miss the operative word “as usually understood.” Anyways, watch the name calling.

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