SB 5 GOP Scorecard UPDATE1

An “X” means I have credible information that the person is voting Yes on SB 5 either because they’ve since made their intentions clear or as a result of the new SB 5 outlined in yesterday’s press gaggle (believe it or not.)  A check mark means they’ve indicated they are opposed to SB 5 under the same standard I used to put the original four (I’m sorry, I just didn’t feel like making a whole new graphic for this post… sue me.)

This is coming from a reliable Senate source who is watching the vote count closely (I know someone of you will, for example, dispute the X on Senator LaRose).  I’d ask that you call their offices and ask them if they intend to vote for the new SB 5, and if not, are there changes to the bill that could be made in which they would support it.

Senator Bill Beagle (R-Dayton) reportedly has told folks that he believes he’s an “accidental” Senator, and he’s unlikely to be re-elected no matter what he does.  So he’s going to go ahead and vote for SB 5 because he really just doesn’t care.

This sounds almost exactly like the attitude Marc Dann had when he was elected Attorney General.  The only way now for SB 5 to be defeated in the Senate is it: a) never makes it out of the Senate Committee (but the Senate Majority can change the makeup of the committee to do that); b) keep all four present “no” votes (who may change their mind as the bill changes, we haven’t really heard from them react to yesterday’s revisions) and pick up both  Stewart and Seitz.

If they make no changes to the committee, Bill Seitz or Jim Hughes could be the crucial seventh vote in the committee.  Get Seitz on board (if he isn’t already and we just don’t know it yet), and Niehaus can release Senate Majority Leader Jimmy Stewart and still pass SB 5 by a one-vote margin.

Again, I don’t care what you’ve heard from these offices before yesterday.  Call your State Senator and ask them how they intend to vote.  If they say they’ll vote no and they’re a Republican, ask them under what circumstances or changes in the bill would they then vote yes.

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  • LaRose is an inexperienced piece of crap. How people voted for this guy, I just don’t know.

  • Anonymous

    Yesterday, Seitz was on WLW radio and he said he was not happy with the bill because he was worried how it treated those close to retirement who could possibly be fired and then lose pensions. He specifically said he worried about firefighters and police officers who had put their lives on the line and then could have their pensions yanked out from under them.

  • leeseh

    This is what I got from Senator Faber:

    Thank you for contacting my office regarding Senate Bill 5. I am always happy to hear from my constituents.

    I am aware that Senate Bill 5 is a very contentious issue and I would like to try and inform you as to where the bill stands at this time and my position on this bill. As Vice Chairman of the Senate Insurance, Commerce, and Labor Committee, I have had the opportunity to hear more than 20 hours of testimony from hundreds of witnesses on this bill over the last two weeks and will continue to hear testimony next week. We have heard from proponents and opponents of Senate Bill 5 and I deeply appreciate hearing from both sides of this issue. I have great respect for the public servants, administrators, and concerned citizens who have testified, called, and written on this issue. I have personally had conversations with police officers, firefighters, teachers, and other concerned public officials throughout Ohio .

    Allow me to address some misinformation that exists. This bill WILL NOT END collective bargaining for teachers, police officers, firefighters, or local government workers. Additionally, many are under the impression that the legislature is scapegoating public servants. This could not be further from the truth. As a public servant, the husband of an educator, and the son of a retired highway patrolman, I vehemently reject the notion that we are unfairly attacking public employees or that changes to collective bargaining will destroy public employment or employees. To accept that would mean that government is and will be a horrible, oppressive, and uncaring employer. I do not believe that this is or will be the case, as it has not been for the many public employees who currently work in positions not covered by collective bargaining agreements. This includes sheriff deputies, schools, state employees, and many more all across Ohio . Even if the provisions eliminating collective bargaining for state employees remain in the final bill, such state employees will be covered and protected by Ohio ’s extensive civil service laws.

    Over the next few weeks the Senate and the House of Representatives will discuss and debate every provision of Senate Bill 5 until we have a finished product that we believe will be an important step in the right direction. This bill is not intended to—and will not—be a sole fix of Ohio’s eight billion dollar projected budget shortfall as some have suggested we are trying to do. This is one step of a many-step solution to fixing the Ohio Government that will level the playing field, bring public benefits into conformity with taxpayers’ expectations, and allow public managers and officials to manage. In the end, I am confident the final version of Senate Bill 5 will increase accountability, increase transparency, and increase the public’s confidence in their employees.

    Although we may have disagreements, I want to encourage you to continue sending me your thoughts and concerns regarding this bill. Your opinion needs to be heard in order for the General Assembly to see this topic from all Ohioans’ points of view. I’m confident that through dialogue and discussion, we can enact a piece of meaningful legislation that will enhance Ohio ’s position in a competitive marketplace.

    Thank you for contacting my office. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future.

    Sincerely,

    Keith Faber

    President Pro Tempore

    12th Senate District

  • Anonymous

    That’s a yes vote, then. Not surprising. Faber has already claimed the GOP has the votes needed.

  • James

    So we need to contact Seitz! Everyone call him and tell him that we will not allow our veteran state employees to lose their pensions.

    Senator Bill Seitz
    Senate Building
    1 Capitol Square, 1st Floor
    Columbus, OH 43215
    Phone: (614) 466-8068
    Email: SD08@senate.state.oh.us

  • Anonymous

    More than one person has contacted me to say they think Seitz is still a no vote. I’d focus more on picking up Stewart who has surprised folks in NOT coming out against SB 5 yet.

  • Lindalou50

    So… Senator Faber. When your political career goes down the tubes if you vote for SB5 , can we find you working for the Koch Bros. Your wife , a teacher, your son , a retired SHPO. You’d even sell out your own family ? Oh yeah… you get my vote for hypocrite of the year !!!!

  • Lindalou50

    I think Senator is full of the stuff found in the stairway at the Statehouse !!!

  • Lindalou50

    I think Senator is full of the stuff found in the stairway at the Statehouse !!!

  • James

    Thanks modern:

    Contact for Stewart.
    Phone: (614) 466-8076
    Email: SD20@senate.state.oh.us

  • leeseh

    Although I wish that could be true; this is rural NW Ohio. He probably has zero chance of not being reelected because of this.

  • Soda Pop

    Senator Gary Cates from Butler County, where are you?

    Vote NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO on SB 5.

  • Johnzompero

    Sen. Seitz was on WLW again today and said he is not only opposed to the bill as currently written but opposed to the manner in which it is being forced through the senate. His key points of opposition are: the seniority language, the inability of safety forces to bargain for safety concerns, and the total elimination of binding arbitration.

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  • Margaretwolford

    How will this save you money? When the middle class makes less, they pay less taxes. Collective bargaining for salary and not for benefits is meaningless. Attacking unions is all about power, not balancing the budget. If it’s about balancing the budget there would be conversations between unions and the statehouse. Union people are willing to compromise but it looks like government isn’t.

  • Littleguy

    Anyone know where new Senator Cliff Hite stands? I have called him twice. Office never answers phone. Emailed. Same no response, no response. Where is he hiding? As a former teacher and my representative, I want to know where he stands. Is this double dipper going to stand with where he got his paycheck for 30 years or belly up to the Kasich trough?

  • Smokeater65

    Hard to believe that Gaqyle Manning is voting for the bill. A former North olmsted teacher must have forgotten where she came from after getting here government pension!!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t take what I say as ironclad. It’s just what people in the Senate are telling me. I’d definitely give her a call and urge her no, still.

  • Fotogirlcb2002

    Seitz acts like hes doing the amendments– says they need to be done by noon tomorrow (Friday ) I say they still have things hidden — they are choosing carefully what they are letting out in the press–the wage stuff was a bone in my opoinion ( we all know in new contact talks Kasichs people are gonna say that theres no money) the deal about the seniorty staying in is for folks with 20 or more years.
    they will still leave in the healthcare stuff ( even though OCSEA has a new contract for July that saves like $100million dollars) now do you think these people can do better?
    the pension increases well we were scheduled for increases for the next 3 years anyway. (OPERS)
    I have written Sen Seitz twice — actually thanked him for at least reading the bill but hes still a “R” and still needs to follow their leaders wishes
    Sen Seitz also says hes in favor of –IF– no arbitraitor resolves an issue turning it over to a “elected judge” –uh wonder what party they will be from because they are gonna pick the judge .
    I just finished another e-mail to all 33 senators — asked them all to vote NO even with the changes
    and I recieved an answer from Sen Sawyer says– no — the way its written now w/o amendments( they have a auto answer set up as soon as you send a e-mail you get that answer)
    I guess I am on the fence as well — because I am having a hard time believing these people
    by the way for the second time (Sen Seitz and Cunningham ) threw Shannon Jones under the bus

  • Fotogirlcb2002

    Soda Pop– hes my senator also– all I have gotten are auto responses–
    he will be a yes vote — Sen Seitz says today on WLW that he and Cates work together a lot
    in fact no matter what I have written Cates about hes never answered
    he doesnt impress me

  • Fotogirlcb2002

    look at Shannon Jones–new — has what ? 2 years as a congress person and is majority whip to — she is from my area and no seems to know how she got elected( but I bet she isnt ever elected again)
    who knows what posesses people

  • Fotogirlcb2002

    has anyone seen the Plain Dealer article ( Columbus Dispatch) picked it up
    here is the first paragraph:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Ohio could lose a significant portion of its $171 million in yearly federal transit money if state legislators adopt a proposal that would curtail collective bargaining powers for transit workers and other public employees.
    Same goes for Wisconsin — can loose money also
    and the plot thickens ……………………………….

  • Fotogirlcb2002

    my comments were due to what I heard Sen Seitz and Bill Cunningham say today at about 2 —
    healthcare comments was from OCSEA web page
    and OPERS comments –well I have that info as a handout from some time ago
    so since Sen Seitz, it appears ,is writing the changes I am sure he will be a yes now
    my best comment about Sen Seitz –is he doesnt want management to have to much control ( and I think he knows May and Nov will tell a tale)

  • Sluggo

    Hite is a yes.

  • Kellyaitken4

    This disgusts me as he was one of my high school teachers. Apparently, he’s forgotten from where he came.

  • Bigindian1012003

    Stewart is not coming out because he thinks that he will be excused from the vote and that it will be OK. Sorry Jimmy your a little to late. Everybody I’ve talked to, even a lot of Republicans have said that for the first in their life they will vote Democrat next election. Thanks for nothing………..

  • Littleguy

    Finally got a call from Senator Hite’s office telling me the Senator was supporting SB5 but that I would be glad to know he was getting it changed to restore “bargaining”. I then asked if “bargaining” would include health benefits. Well no it seems. Work conditions? Well, no again. But I would be glad to know it would include salary, the aid cheerily told me. Then I asked if that included arbitration. Well, uh, um, ah, uh, apparently, no on that too. At which point I asked how the hell can you call that bargaining. I told him. “That’s like saying to someone, well, we are going to cut off your right arm for sure, but you can discuss and beg us not to cut off your left too, but then in the end we still get to decide on that one too, and you have no recourse.” How stupid do these people think public employees are? Anyway, he said they have gotten 400 phone calls. Apparently they need 400 more. His number is (614) 466-8150.

    How sad that a former schoolteacher would sell out his coworkers. Guess should expect that. He was appointed to the position. Probably sold his soul to get hat appointment. I understand he and his wife both draw state teachers pensions, and then he is at the state trough for his State senate salary and that pension too, so all of this is no sweat off of his dinner plate. But as his office told me, he has to support sB5 because there is a state budget problem. Sad, Sad, Sad.

  • Littleguy

    Finally got a call from Senator Hite’s office telling me the Senator was supporting SB5 but that I would be glad to know he was getting it changed to restore “bargaining”. I then asked if “bargaining” would include health benefits. Well no it seems. Work conditions? Well, no again. But I would be glad to know it would include salary, the aid cheerily told me. Then I asked if that included arbitration. Well, uh, um, ah, uh, apparently, no on that too. At which point I asked how the hell can you call that bargaining. I told him. “That’s like saying to someone, well, we are going to cut off your right arm for sure, but you can discuss and beg us not to cut off your left too, but then in the end we still get to decide on that one too, and you have no recourse.” How stupid do these people think public employees are? Anyway, he said they have gotten 400 phone calls. Apparently they need 400 more. His number is (614) 466-8150.

    How sad that a former schoolteacher would sell out his coworkers. Guess should expect that. He was appointed to the position. Probably sold his soul to get hat appointment. I understand he and his wife both draw state teachers pensions, and then he is at the state trough for his State senate salary and that pension too, so all of this is no sweat off of his dinner plate. But as his office told me, he has to support sB5 because there is a state budget problem. Sad, Sad, Sad.

  • Wiseguy986

    I am close personal friend and advisor to Senator LaRose and in its current form Senator LaRose is against SB5. He is working towards a solution but in its current form Senator LaRose is against SB5

  • Wiseguy986

    I am close personal friend and advisor to Senator LaRose and in its current form Senator LaRose is against SB5. He is working towards a solution but in its current form Senator LaRose is against SB5

  • Anonymous

    We were already planning to update our scorecard to reflect just that based on what feedback we got from his most recent town hall on the subject. Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    We were already planning to update our scorecard to reflect just that based on what feedback we got from his most recent town hall on the subject. Thank you.

  • Wiseguy986

    Thanks! We very much appreciate that

  • Littleguy

    Ditto for Cliff Hite from Findlay. He is ex teacher and as I understand it his wife is too….

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