I just want to make sure I’ve got this correct:

  • Endless detention without trial for accusations in which the evidence against you is kept from you in your defense.  Okay.
  • Denying habeas corpus. Okay.
  • Warrantless wiretapping and data mining of domestic U.S. calls, including those made by and between U.S. citizens. Okay.
  • Having a TSA agent touch your junk to see if you’re hiding an actual rocket in your pocket and not because your happy to see said TSA agent.  Bad.

We’ve apparently finally seen where the American people will draw the line between the competing societal interests of civil liberties and fighting terrorism.  And that line is around America’s junk (which apparently is now called a “Liberty Zone.”)

Anything outside of that is apparently free game.

Am I missing something here?

 
  • Xx

    Yes, you are missing something. This has been going on for a lot longer than last week: http://elusis.livejournal.com/2141915.html

  • Tpiteo65

    wow. thats good stuff.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s the difference: All those other things happen to “other people,” out of sight, somewhere else.

    This is happening to “regular people” in ways that are not just obvious, but ubiquitous.

  • Modern Esquire

    That’s kind of my point, Mark. Civil liberty violations should always be offensive, not only when we can’t shut our eyes and ignore them.

  • Guest

    Welcome to being a non-white person in America. Don’t like it. It was and is ok as long as no one sees it or it didn’t happen to me or mine. Well, equal opportunity harassment has come to America.

    Guess what, flying is a privilege. Don’t like it don’t fly.

    I have a problem witht the whole made up war on terror since it is a war against Americans to turn America into an armed camp. This is all part of the authoritarian mindset and the terrorists did win since we turned into exactly what they thought we were. Freedom and liberty hating hypocrites.

    Think, it ain’t illegal yet. But it is on its way to being so.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot ordering the murder of U.S. citizens without trial…Okay.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html

  • Anonymous

    I absolutely agree with that. But is also seems to me that the furor isn’t being raised about privacy, but decency.

    When government intrusion takes the form of this visible and personal form in the name of air travel security, people understand on a visceral level that it’s wrong. Knowing that the government can decide to listen in on your phone calls for any reason or none at all seems to be too much of an abstraction.

  • Anonymous

    Until you can hear the gov’t agent snickering on the phone.

  • Guest

    This post is funny because Obama’s doing all that stuff you mentioned before you got to the TSA stuff.

    Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha. Ha.

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