Here’s a picture I took yesterday at the Circleville Pumpkin Show…

I’ve seen these nice folks (from the Tea Party-inspired “Ohio Project“) at festivals all summer long trying to get their anti-healthcare petition signed. I’ll cover their ridiculously selfish and uninformed petition in more detail in another post. For now I just wanted to share this picture and quickly discuss the skewed logic of their endeavor.

At the Newark Strawberry Festival (which was probably one of the worst festivals I’ve ever attended in my entire life) the Ohio Project booth was appropriately located across from the vendor selling over-sized confederate flags.

Today they were between a corn dog stand and a cart selling cheese pizza. Kind of out of the way but still with a steady flow of traffic.

I tried to engage the woman at the booth in polite conversation long enough to convince her to give me a copy of the petition they were having people sign. I really was being a pretty nice guy considering the crazy and nasty nature of their signs and message but I still couldn’t convince her to let me have a copy of the petition.

Her excuse was: “we’ve had way more people signing our petition than we expected”. But I’m pretty sure it was the fact that my daughters were both wearing Strickland/Brown stickers on their jackets.

The last time I saw these “Stop FORCED Healthcare” people at a festival I politely tried to point out that we were currently surrounded by people who would directly benefit from the healthcare reform laws they were angrily fighting against.

For example the guy who owned corn dog stand would now be able to get a small business tax credit to help cover the costs of his and his empoloyees’ insurance.

And his kid, who was currently waiting in line for another funnel cake, couldn’t be rejected for insurance just because he has diabetes.

And if that kid decided to go to college instead of taking over the family business, he could continue to be covered on his father’s insurance until he was 27.

And when the corn dog stand owner hits 65 and gets Medicare coverage, he’ll actually be able to get medical treatment where he lives because the healthcare reform legislation extends Medicare payment protections to small rural hospitals.

The last time I saw these people I tried to explain to them that there is no ambiguity about what’s in the new legislation if they had just taken the time to read it – or read one of the MANY summaries presented by every news outlet in country. And if they HAD bothered to do that they would clearly see how many parts of the bill would be very helpful to themselves and their neighbors.

I decided not to waste my breath this time.

 
  • Brad

    “And his kid, who was currently waiting in line for another funnel cake, couldn’t be rejected for insurance just because he has diabetes.”

    Perhaps the child shouldn’t be eating ANY funnel cakes if he has diabetes. So much for self responsibility.

  • mvirenicus

    did they have a KISS tribute band at any of these festivals? my new gal and i figured out we were sitting about 20′ apart on the bleachers at the milan melon festival in 2008 while watching Mr. Speed. Totally weird.

  • Not that I remember. But it sounds about right.

    I love small-town festivals, especially ones dedicated to food.

    How’s the new relationship going? Sounds like this one might be a keeper?

  • Which is why the healthcare reform legislation also contains nutrient content disclosure requirements (e.g. there are about 277 calories in a funnel cake) as well as a provisions to support preventative care.

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  • mvirenicus

    don’t forget the “death by funnel cake panel.”

  • Also: what’s the penalty for faking the signature of a member of Congress?

  • mvirenicus

    i thought the last one was a keeper for eight years. well, for most of those eight years. lol

  • mvirenicus

    oh c’mon, they forgot to stencil her name in there and decided to write her name but used cursive instead of printing all the while thinking pelosi’s picture wouldn’t be enough for identification purposes.

  • Wendysizemore

    It’s just like a liberal to want us to “give” him a copy of the petition that I paid to make. If you want a copy of the petition you can download and print your own at TheOhioProject.com and you have been informed of that many times. As for the surrounding vendors, what the new legislation will cost them is far more than what it will save them. Had you ever owned and ran a business you would know that.

  • Brad

    So we should pay billions of dollars in taxes to try to fix whats preventable in the first place? You know what’s free? “Hey, kid with diabetes. Perhaps you should re-consider eating more than one funnel cake.” But that solution is too easy, isn’t it?

  • mvirenicus

    yeah, the whole problem with the american “health care” system revolves around a kid and a funnel cake.

  • mvirenicus

    i think fair and festival vendors should be nationalized as a vital public interest.

  • Anonymous

    Why just the Health Care Reform bill? Why not end compulsion in other “federally forced” health care systems like Medicare and the VA? At least that would be a consistent position.

  • I already downloaded the petition and reviewed the amendment, not that I needed to. A quick glance at the language reveals immediately that it’s completely unconstitutional and unenforceable. You can’t pass a state law saying that you won’t follow federal laws. It’s called the supremacy clause.

    By the way, nearly everyone who posts here at Plunderbund is either self employed or runs a small business.

  • Nifty Lawrence

    Maybe I’ll start listening (a little) to Tea Partiers if/when they start addressing the obscene amount of money we throw at the Dept. of Offense & how much of said money they go on to waste.

    I won’t hold my breath.

  • Andy

    Joe,

    Learn to read, It’s an Ohio Constitutional Amendment not a state law. Looks like the Department of Education didn’t teach Joe to read.

  • Andy

    Re: “And if that kid decided to go to college instead of taking over the family business, he could continue to be covered on his father’s insurance until he was 27.”

    Too bad that you don’t know that kids in college can already be covered by their parents health insurance until they are 24. I guess Libs aren’t smart enough to understand the current laws much less Public Law 111-148…

    Also I guess they don’t want their kids to be independent and learn to stand on their own two feet. If the present administration would help create jobs, then 85% of college grads wouldn’t move home after graduation.

  • That’s your big come back? Putting aside the fact that the Ohio Constitution is the basic law of the state, your Amendment is still unconstitutional.

    I thought all you Tea Party guys were REALLY into protecting the US Constitution?

  • Delco

    Andy- An Ohio Constitutional Amendment is not state law? I believe that you may be one of those “uninformed voters” I have been hearing about, of late.

  • Jbh

    Agreed, Brad. Where was the kid’s parent(s)? THEY should be the one’s dictacting the diabetic kid’s culinary consumption — NOT me, NOT you, certainly NOT the government!!

  • Jbh

    What’s the fuss, then? Why are you whining that no one will give you a copy? Are you just looking for something to complain about? And you didn’t like our “Strawberries on the Square”? I felt the vendors were extraordinarily very nice there – ALL of them in our surrounding booths signed our petition, they asked questions, and we gave answers and they signed… And you didn’t like our sign, and you didn’t like the people taking the time to stand up for what they believe, and you don’t think that state sovereignty takes precedence over ‘the supremacy clause’ (but if it doesn’t in this case, won’t it give govt the right to tell you to buy a car—or what kind you must purchase, even if you don’t want one or need it??).

    I don’t run a small business; I am not self-employed. But, because of this wonderful new law you love so well, my healthcare ins premiums are going up 38% and my deductible is now $2000/year, up from $500/year. Presto – just like that!!

    We are simply asking for the people to havethe opportunity to speak out in this whole discussion—we were denied that right, despite the obvious will of the people all through the devious process. We only want the people of Ohio to have the right to say no, asserting STATE SOVEREIGNTY—or to say yes. This should be a matter of the will of the people, why is that so ugly to you?

  • Jbh

    “I’ll cover their ridiculously selfish and uninformed petition in more detail in another post.”

    You are sooooo funny Jo-Jo Boy. Why aren’t you laying it all out now?? You are spewing, but really, you shouldn’t expect everyone to accept everything you say as rock solid truth. How about some facts to back up your contentions?

    “At the Newark Strawberry Festival (which was probably one of the worst festivals I’ve ever attended in my entire life) the Ohio Project booth was appropriately located across from the vendor selling over-sized confederate flags.”

    Word to the Wise, Jo-Jo: it’s rude to be insulting to strange places you visit. The same festival you cite (I’m surprised I didn’t see you—were you wearing your ‘hope and change’ shirt?) was my first Strawberries event, and I so enjoyed meeting LOTS of nice people, ESPECIALLY the folks with the oversized Confederate flags. ALL of the vendors signed our petition that wknd. They asked honest questions (not the loaded ones you wield like some kind of social martyr’s weapon); we answered with FACTS (try that sometime); they signed.

    “I tried to engage the woman at the booth in polite conversation long enough to convince her to give me a copy of the petition they were having people sign. I really was being a pretty nice guy considering the crazy and nasty nature of their signs and message but I still couldn’t convince her to let me have a copy of the petition.”

    This is great, Jo-Jo!! I don’t know where to start with this one… First, pls define ‘polite’. Is it polite to have these kinds of pre-conceived thoughts in your heart, and still approach someone who is trying to do what she feels is right in hers, knowing full well that you just want to tear what she is doing down? That’s not ‘polite’ in my world. ‘Polite’ for you in this situation would have been to simply walk on by. But no, you’ve seen these folks before and you wanted to make some kind of statement so you could tell the 3 people that actually read your pitiful melodramatic blog about how terrible this lady was. And I KNOW she was not terrible. Shame on you!! And I KNOW that the numbers of people WANTING to give Ohioans a chance to vote on this issue— wanting to sign this petition were much greater than anticipated at the Pumpkin Show— so I KNOW she was telling the truth. Polite would have been to let her do her job, without pestering her for a petition, when you knew all along all you had to do was look it up. But it sounds so much more dramatic when you can say you met resistance from her and you can infer she was lying, when she wasn’t. That’s NOT polite in anyone’s world, Jo-Jo.

    Next: define ‘nasty’. I’m lookin’, I’m lookin’ but I don’t find nasty on the signs. I see ‘STOP FORCED HEALTHCARE’. I see where Nancy Pelosi’s quote is there – and that IS her quote, yes? She DID really say that, right? I saw her say it, I watched her lips move and she was very clear – we were going to have to wait to see what was in the bill, until ONCE IT BECAME LAW??? Now, Jo-Jo, really. Let’s look at the sign again. Did you mean the ‘nasty’ part is where Mrs. Pelosi is telling the American People that it doesn’t matter what it says, even though WE will be the ones footing the bill for it, and living by all of the new constraints it will put on our lives??—that we should just hurry up and get it signed and then deal with it? If so, then we agree. That IS nasty.

    “For example the guy who owned corn dog stand would now be able to get a small business tax credit to help cover the costs of his and his empoloyees’ insurance.”

    You are making a lot of broad assumptions here: That he has employees; that they work more than just seasonally; that they have no other resources to get healthcare ins; that they even WANT healthcare insurance. And why don’t you tell me just how much that small business tax credit will amount to, once he pays someone to figure it out and once he pays the premiums for his assumed employees? Or, will the employees have to pay a portion of the premium? Will that really help them?? How much do you think they make selling corn dogs? And, Jo-Jo, will that tax credit cover the premiums and the extra book keeping costs?? If it really does, that means that his employees will be getting healthcare insurance for FREE, right?? How are we paying for that again??

    ” And his kid, who was currently waiting in line for another funnel cake, couldn’t be rejected for insurance just because he has diabetes.”

    Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaaaa!!! This was your finest masterpiece in drama!! Maybe diabetes wasn’t the best disease scenario you could have conjured up, Jo-Jo… Wanna try again?? Really….we’re friends here…go ahead….

    “And if that kid decided to go to college instead of taking over the family business, he could continue to be covered on his father’s insurance until he was 27.”

    Someone already covered that one…a child IN COLLEGE is covered under current policies. IF they are working toward a goal of a diploma, they are covered. The responsibility here carries on until the fledgling leaves the nest. Whether by marriage, by getting their own job, or by pursuing higher learning, they are covered. If they are playing WII in the basement day in and day out post high school graduation….well…that’s the parents’ issue. Next!!

    “And when the corn dog stand owner hits 65 and gets Medicare coverage, he’ll actually be able to get medical treatment where he lives because the healthcare reform legislation extends Medicare payment protections to small rural hospitals.”

    Someone touched on this as well. Why are we FORCED to take on Medicare at retirement age? I don’t like it; and no one I know does. And Jo-Jo, this legislation has built within its walls a $500 BILLION decrease in Medicare funding. HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE GOING TO DO WHAT ANDY GRIFFITH SAYS WE ARE GOING TO NOW DO WITH THAT MUCH LESS TO DO IT WITH?? Be it far from me to question such a pillar of our nation’s heritage, or you. I’m just sayin’….

    Oh, yeah…and when we bought our new house, moving to a new town, we changed drs. I called to get the information to do so, and the first question the receptionist asked me was: “Are you on Medicare or Medicaid?” “No,” I replied, “why?” “Because we are NOT taking either types of those patients anymore.” Whoa, Jo-Jo…so what are we going to do with your scenario of this boy and his ailing retired daddy? What about being able to keep your dr?

    “The last time I saw these people I tried to explain to them that there is no ambiguity about what’s in the new legislation if they had just taken the time to read it – or read one of the MANY summaries presented by every news outlet in country. And if they HAD bothered to do that they would clearly see how many parts of the bill would be very helpful to themselves and their neighbors.”

    No one, Jo-Jo – NO ONE is saying that there aren’t good parts to the law. There are. The demise of pre-existing conditions preventing coverage is one good thing. But what about frivilous law suits? Not ONE word – it’s an atty’s paradise – and the circus is conducted by??? Attorneys!!! When I went to the OB/GYN for my annual, lube, filter, oil change the last time, I had to pay an extra $75 for my co-pay. Why? Malpractice insurance fee. What?!?!?!?

    The worst part of the whole law is that We, The People were totally ignored while it was being FORCED upon us. The people WE pay to represent US were deliberately ignoring us to get more power over us, all in the name of doing what’s best for US. Did you know that in this law, the DHHS now has free and easy access to your IRS recs – ALL of them? Before, they had to go thru due process, but not now. They say they must have that ability to be able to discern who really can afford premiums and who can’t. Oh, yeah, the Social Security Admin gets that same right now, too. That was in section 213 B, altho it may have been shuffled a bit. Did you read that part in any of the ‘summaries’ you are relying on? And you are really putting a lot of stock in US reading the bill, when not ONE of our congressmen or senators did so before making it LAW. NOT ONE. A little hypocrital of you, Jo-Jo, wouldn’t you say?

    C’mon, Jo-Jo Boy, THINK. Is it really ok that not ONE of our respresentatives read the bill or made it available to ANY of us for even 1 week (hmmmm….would even a week be enough for a 2500 page bill???) before signing it into LAW?

    You are employing drama and presumption to make your arguments; but really, your readers would much rather have fact and simple logic. This is not debate; it’s not discourse. It’s a true waste of your breath. While I don’t believe you’ll post this rather lengthy writing of my own, at least you will have recieved a dose of those things that seem foreign to you…from me.

    JBH.

  • Jbh

    Oh, yeah…almost forgot. The actual verbiage of the intitiative itself: HERE ARE THE FACTS:

    Title: To preserve the freedom of Ohioans to choose their health care and health care coverage (NOVEL IDEA, YES??)

    SUMMARY

    To add Section 21 to Article I of the Constitution of the State of Ohio

    The proposed amendment would provide that:

    1. In Ohio, no law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.

    2. In Ohio, no law or rule shall prohibit the purchase or sale of health care or health insurance.

    3. In Ohio, no law or rule shall impose a penalty or fine for the sale or purchase of health care or health insurance.

    The proposed law would not

    1. Affect laws or rules in effect as of March 19, 2010.

    2. Affect which services a health care provider or hospital is required to perform or provide.

    3. Affect terms and conditions of government employment.

    4. Affect any laws calculated to deter fraud or punish wrongdoing in the health care industry.

    FULL TEXT OF AMENDMENT

    Be it resolved by the people of the State of Ohio that Article I, Section 21 of the Ohio Constitution be adopted and read as follows:

    ARTICLE I

    Preservation of the freedom to choose health care and health care coverage

    Section 21 (A) No federal, state, or local law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.

    Section 21 (B) No federal, state, or local law or rule shall prohibit the purchase or sale of health care or health insurance.

    Section 21 (C) No federal, state, or local law or rule shall impose a penalty or fine for the sale or purchase of health care or health insurance.

    Section 21 (D) This section does not affect laws or rules in effect as of March 19, 2010; affect which services a health care provider or hospital is required to perform or provide; affect terms and conditions of government employment; or affect any laws calculated to deter fraud or punish wrongdoing in the health care industry.

    Section 21 (E) As used in this Section,

    (1) “Compel” includes the levying of penalties or fines.

    (2) “Health care system” means any public or private entity or program whose function or purpose includes the management of, processing of, enrollment of individuals for, or payment for, in full or in part, health care services, health care data, or health care information for its participants.

    (3) “Penalty or fine” means any civil or criminal penalty or fine, tax, salary or wage withholding or surcharge or any named fee established by law or rule by a government established, created, or controlled agency that is used to punish or discourage the exercise of rights protected under this section.

    (REALLY, JO-JO – QUITE PAINLESS. RESTORING THE POWER TO WE, THE PEOPLE – PRECISELY WHERE IT BELONGS. THAT FREEDOM THING…IT’S ADDICTIVE!!!)

  • And here’s the text of the United States Constitution, Article VI, Section 1, Clause 2:

    “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

    And

    In the case of Edgar v. Mite Corporation, 457 U.S. 624 (1982), the Supreme Court ruled that “A state statute is void to the extent that it actually conflicts with a valid Federal statute.” In effect, this means that a State law will be found to violate the supremacy clause when either of the following two conditions (or both) exist:

    1. Compliance with both the Federal and State laws is impossible, or

    2. “…state law stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress…”

  • Wow, you should definitely get your own blog if you have that much to say.

    Regarding the Newark Strawberry Festival, my problem wasn’t the people or the town it was the fact that they tout it as a strawberry festival but the only strawberries that I could find were in boxes imported from out-of-state.

  • Wendy

    If you have already downloaded and read the petition then why are you being so petty as to try to get one I paid for? Not very clever or smart and I would suggest you read up on nullification. Though it has been ignored for many years it still exists.

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