A lot of people ask me why I support Jennifer Brunner for US Senate, the answer is simple. ?Courage. ?Brunner says what she’s going to do, then does it. ?She ran for Secretary of State saying she’d clean up our sad electoral processes, she did it. ?Brunner saw an opening for the US Senate, she’s going for it.

Unfortunately, it’s increasingly likely that when Brunner is our nominee, she will be the victim of a statewide Democratic ticket filled with a bunch of opportunistic cowards, backed by a bunch of opportunistic cowards, thus pathetic in the extreme because this state’s Ohio Democratic Party is filled with nothing but opportunistic cowards. ?Exhibit A is Jennifer Garrison.

Garrison is a shameless gay-baiter, neanderthal rabid pro-lifer, to the point of Sarah Palin repulsiveness, and there isn’t a single person within ODP willing to step up and keep her off the statewide ballot. ?Not one. ?Marilyn Brown played us all for a bunch of fools until her cowardice got the better of her. ?Progress Ohio knee capped me WAHMBULANCE! ?May we never hear from her again, which is precisely what Marilyn wants, I’m sure. ?Just keep the paycheck coming in, right Marilyn?

The rest of ODP stands by and lets this cancer of a candidate get on our statewide ballot, assuring the TOTAL CERTAINTY that not a single gay person or pro-choice woman will lift a finger for the ticket, and may even vote for John Husted. ?I’ll never vote for a Republican for as long as I live, but I am certainly not going to be handing out literature with Jennifer Garrison’s face, name, likeness, penumbra or emanation surrounding it, either explicit or implied. ?Never. ?I’m a Democrat. ?Garrison isn’t.

Who could keep Garrison from the ticket? ?Gee, I don’t know, name another random state rep or state senator who could just as easily throw a hat into the ring as Garrison opportunistically did. ?Armond Budish? ?Jay Goyal? ?Chris Redfern? ?Maybe Eric Fingerhut? ?How’s Secretary of State sound, Eric? ?Oh wait….too risky, forgot about that. ? Where’s our congressional delegation? ?Collecting paychecks or sitting on fiefdoms in safe seats, that’s where.

Then there’s Kevin Boyce, who no one has ever heard of, running against the most cynical, game playing little puke in Ohio politics, Josh Mandel and his millions in Republican money. ?Forget that one! ?David Pepper? ?Who? ?Rich Cordray should this minute be sending out resumes to law firms, because Ted Strickland’s jobs record is about to get plastered all over the US Senate primary via Lee Fisher’s opportunism standing in the way of a candidate who can actually win the seat.

The 2010 Ohio Democratic Party ticket is rapidly shaping up to be the biggest, fastest fall from power in my lifetime. ?Chris Redfern could be the only major state party chairman in Ohio history to win for his party the apportionment board, then lose it in a single cycle, before the apportionment board even meets to apportion. ?By this time next year, even Harry Meshel will seem like an upgrade.

My only consolation is that Ohioans are ticket splitters, and will recognize the ODP ticket for what it plainly is, a sorry list of posing preening cowards, while recognizing that one person on it, Jennifer Brunner, will take her courage to the US Senate, make Joe Lieberman irrelevant, and help Barack Obama govern this country. ?It’s a slim hope, I admit. ?But that’s just the optimist in me.

  • ryanfissel

    Why are you always angry all the time? Jeez.

    One other thing. $100 says that Jennifer Brunner loses the Senate primary. There is NO avenue for victory at this point. You can't raise a negative amount of money when your opponent raises a million. Better start getting used to Lee Fisher for Senate.

  • why are you always an idiot all the time? jeez.

    Lee will lose the next race he runs in, as he's done the previous two times. his next race is against Brunner.

  • ryanfissel

    Everything is a personal attack with you, isn't it? If you want to get personal with me, bring it on. I KNOW who wins that battle.

    Friggin grow up.

  • dude, grow the fuck up. don't you have a web 0.1 candidate site to work on somewhere?

  • ryanfissel

    Oohhhh…good one! Although I'm willing to suspect that I've got more clients than you. I wonder why that is?

  • you really want to get banned, don't you.

  • ryanfissel

    Oh I see!! I make a comment on here and get called an idiot for my trouble. For whatever reason you decided to start a fight with me over absolutely nothing. Go ahead and ban me. I'm tired of the Tim Russo drama game. If you can't have a conversation like the rest of the adults, better go sit at the kids table.

  • no, ryan. you played the game. all you ever do is play the game. all you ever do is take potshots. you never add a single thing to a conversation other than pot shots. and you never disclose your interests, ever.

  • ryanfissel

    Well I disagree with you completely. I can't think of one time where I have ever advocated on a blog for a client without informing everyone that I was working for that person.

    Number two – I never post unless I have something to say. As for potshots, you're the one who called me an idiot. You seem to attack ANYONE who doesn't support your position. You called Marilyn Brown a coward because she refused to go up against the ENTIRE PARTY who had decided to support Garrison. You expected Commissioner Brown to run headfirst into a buzzsaw because you thought it was the right thing to do. I happen to think that Commissioner Brown is doing a fantastic job and I didn't want her not representing me in some capacity in this state. I count her as a friend and I think calling her a coward was a low blow and beneath you and this blog. That's why I'm upset. Oh, and for clarification: I have NEVER worked for Commissioner Brown in any capacity. I just happen to be a big fan.

    If you want to have an actual discussion on the issues, great. But when you use words like coward and fool, you undercut your argument. No one with any sense would refer to Commissioner Brown as a coward. She jumped into a race that no one else wanted to run and beat an incumbent that no one expected her to beat. You can disagree with the party positions on any number of issues but when you attack someone who has dedicated their life to public service, as Lt. Governor Lee Fisher has, your attacks ring hollow and sound bitter.

    Add something to the conversation besides white noise and accusations and I'll gladly comment more substantially on your posts. But as long as they are filled with hate and whining, I feel the need to step up and defend the party and the people that you have added to your enemies list.

  • Marilyn Brown is, in fact, a coward. two weeks after rolling out a long list of endorsements, she pulls out, for no reason. this, after her campaign manager spends weeks spinning bloggers with a long list of oppo, which all of a sudden no longer matters. that's cowardice. too bad if it's pointed out, i didn't spend half the summer begging bloggers to back up my candidacy right before dropping out.

    if it's white noise, then ignore it. no one asked you to come in here and start with the “angry russo” bullshit. now you're on to the “russo hate” storyline, the “russo enemies” storyline, keep it up. got any more cheap shots you wanna lob? go right ahead. you made that choice.

  • ryanfissel

    Again, it's all about you, isn't it? The storyline exists because you run around screaming about it every five minutes. What are we supposed to think.

    And again with calling Marilyn Brown a coward? Shame on you and shame on anyone who would support that. She's done AMAZING things for Franklin County and I know that she will continue to do so.

  • you brought that storyline, in ryan, not me. and why don't you ask half the statehouse delegation how they feel about putting their name on an endorsement list for marilyn brown two weeks before she drops out of the race, see how they liked that.

  • ryanfissel

    Why should I ask them? Are they not taking your calls?

    People enter and exit races all the time…its called politics.

  • You guys should lock the back and forth. Comments are all the way to the right! LOL.

    Two things. I think it was unfair to play the angry Russo card. I didn't get angry when I read this post. I think it also unfair to immediately play the idiot card. Too bad you guys let this devolve.

    Ryan is welcome to comment as far as I'm concerned. This primary business does tend to burn up any like minded good will. It sounds to me like you both could use a deep breath and to grow up a bit.

    I was disappointed in Brown and dislike Garrison deeply. I wouldn't have called her a coward I don't guess but I understand the sentiment also being really disappointed in the Garrison field clearing. I'd love to hear the whole back story on this because it has to be just fascinating.

    Brunner can win the primary. The Fisher freak out is enough to let you know this is true. The question is whether she can weather the storm to file. Saying there is NO path to victory is not true. If you are on the ballot there is a patch to victory. More people vote for you. Happens all the time. I think she can raise money once people see she will not be forced out. It won't be easy because the pressure is immense right now and the dirty tricks are rampant.

    PS – Fisher did win the last race he ran. He's Lieutenant Governor, right?

  • ryanfissel

    I'm concerned about Brunner's fundraising (as just about every other person following this race has been.) Personally I love Jennifer Brunner. I don't like the idea of abandoning the SOS seat in a year when we could capture the apportionment board to run for higher office though (and now that State Rep. Garrison is in the race, I don't know whats going to happen.) I should have rephrased by saying that Brunner has one very thin line to the nomination and that path is getting blocked pretty quick. Let me take back my previous comments about the race until we see the next fundraising report. That will be key. She has to have, at a minimum, raised TOTAL at least $1 million. If not, I don't see how she competes in the primary. Remember, Ohio has 5 very expensive media markets and someone with the scratch to spend will make a great showing in the primary.

  • Yup. Pretty much standard thinking. I don't expect the next fund-raising report to be all that strong either, but I also don't see this as a death knell. The reason it's been slow is people don't want to write a check with a thought that that person may somehow not be in the race. This notion is dispensed once she files.

    Their path could just as well be a grassroots path. Like I've said in a previous post, people all around the state are doing things independently of the campaign to both raise money and awareness. These things don't show up on a fund-raising report. Not that she won't need money. She will. I just don't think she needs a ton of it to win a primary. General is a whole new thing.

    Maybe Fisher supporters and donors should get used to Jennifer Brunner for Senate?

  • modernesquire

    Ryan–

    You started in your first comment with a potshot at Tim, and you have a documented history of going out of your way to take personal shots at Tim. So, drop the act like this is the first time you and Tim engaged.

    Second, Marilyn Brown may have cured every Franklin resident of cancer for all I care, but the way she caved and cleared the field for Garrison (when Garrison had not exactly showed the monolithic support you claimed) was crappy, especially after she gotten a large number of state legilslators to endorse her over their own House Majority Floor Leader.

    Don't like that, too bad. There's plenty of people in the party who are desparate for an alternative to Garrison who are pissed that Brown wasted our time.

    Lee Fisher didn't win Lt. Governor. He was on a ticket that won. Anyone who thinks Lee Fisher was the factor in winning that race (other than helping Strickland clear the primary field) is nuts.

    I can't find a single comment about Brunner's campaign where Ryan doesn't sound like a concern troll (“Brunner should drop out, even though I say I support her.”) It just strikes me that your claim of Brunner support always comes up as an afterthought to make your earlier statement about her be given more weight.

    I'm not saying you're lying that you don't like and admire her, but I have to question why you've been utterly silent in this primary debate except to interject that she shouldn't run for the U.S. Senate. Odd way to support your preferred candidate.

    But then again, I don't rely on ODP to make a living, so I understand that some people have fences they have to straddle that I don't.

  • ryanfissel

    Well, standard thinking is standard because its generally right. Rob Portman has $5 million and the ability to crush anyone who can't at least meet him at one dollar for every 5 he spends.

    Money and politics can't be separated. Barack Obama ran as an outsider and only had a chance because he was raking in more money than anyone before him.

    Let me state this again: I love Jennifer Brunner. I was a fan of hers before she ran for Secretary of State. I think she would make an amazing US Senator from the State of Ohio. However, I also think she would make one hell of a Governor one day too. I'm just concerned that we could be losing an excellent public servant without realizing it.

  • ryanfissel

    Yes, Tim and I have had disagreements. However, I was commenting on the tenor of the post – not on any actual or perceived grudge with Tim. I took issue with his use of the word coward and his calling out, in quite personal terms, many of the elected officials in Ohio because they weren't following what he thought was the correct path to victory. I don't have to “drop the act” as I was never putting on an act. However, I don't believe I'm the first person to ever have a fight with Tim but I do know that I rarely have blog fights with people, so well, there's that.

    Second, why do you think that I can't support a candidate personally in one office and not another? You make it sound as if you will vote for Rob Portman if Lee Fisher is the nominee? Does your support of Brunner mean you will only support her to the exclusion of everyone else?

    I'm also bothered by the abject hatred coming from the progressive activists in the state towards Lee Fisher. No one has ever been able to tell me that he is on the wrong side of an important issue (see: Garrison, Jennifer) or that he would be a disaster in the US Senate. The only argument that has been given against his candidacy is that he isn't Jennifer Brunner. In fact, when Lee Fisher comes out in support or opposed on a particular issue the narrative has been that he is a day late. Frankly, that's ridiculous. No one has given him credit when he has been on the right side of the issues.

    If everyone remembers, the same thing happened in 2006 and most of the ire was directed at Sherrod Brown. Here was a guy who had fought for regular people and he was being attacked by progressives for not being progressive enough. Everyone was in love with Paul Hackett even though he was on the wrong side of many of the issues that progressives care about (see: guns, etc.)

    And by the way, if you're upset about Jennifer Garrison, well, she wouldn't be running for Secretary of State if Jennifer Brunner was running for re-election. So I think we all know who to thank on that one.

    I want to know when progressives demanded that their elected officials drive off a cliff on principle. Because thats exactly what you are demanding of Marilyn Brown and that's what you're demanding of Jennifer Brunner.

  • frazzle

    Oh, please – quit with the crap, Brian.

    Ryan asked the question “Why are you always angry all the time?” because he is angry all of the time. Tim gets what he gets because of what he gives. If you can't see that, then you shouldn't have linked your reputation to his.

  • modernesquire

    Ryan– The point is that you have never written a pro-Brunner for Senate comment, and yet claim to support her. It's a disengious statement of yours. Stop the “I'm supporting Rob Portman” crap. It's just stupid.

    Who I vote for is immaterial. If Lee Fisher is the general nominee, he will lose to Rob Portman. How do I know that, because Lee Fisher couldn't beat BOB TAFT even though he raised more money than him. In fact, Lee has lost more races despite outspending his opponent than Ross Perot. And all indications are that this time, Lee will have a financial disadvantage against Rob Portman.

    I don't “hate” Lee Fisher. My opposition is entirely strategic. The number one issue next cycle is jobs, and therefore, Lee Fisher is the worst possible candidate imagineable to run for the U.S. Senate given his non-record as the head of the Ohio Department of Development.

    Lee Fisher doesn't excite ANYONE. I have never found an energized Lee Fisher supporter anyone. I've looked. All I've seen is people support Lee because they feel they “owe” it to him, kind of like how Bob Dole was “owed” the Presidential nomination in 1996. How'd that work out? If you think the only argument against Lee Fisher is that he isn't Jennifer Brunner than you are deaf and blind.

    The fact that you BLAME Brunner for Garrison reveals that despite your professed love for her you've opposed her Senate candidacy all along. So stop insulting our intelligence by coaching every “Brunner should drop out” comment with a statement that makes you sound like you're saying this as a Brunner supporter. You aren't a Brunner supporter and never was.

    How the hell am I driving Jennifer Brunner off a cliff? Because I think she'd be a better candidate for my party than Lee Fisher?

    I can say that Lee Fisher has been on the wrong side of many issues. It's all a matter of timing. The good thing about Lee is that if you don't like his position on a given topic, just give him time. He's like the weather.

    And that's what I don't like about Lee Fisher. I'm utterly convinced we wouldn't have the slightest clue where he stood on ANYTHING if he didn't have Jennifer Brunner in the race. Time after time, Lee Fisher only takes a position after hearing what Brunner has said on the topic and he almost always takes essentially the same position. That strikes some of us as odd.

    Lee Fisher is not Sherrod Brown. And the siutation is not comparable at all. As someone who supported Brown, I can point out the differences:

    1) Paul Hackett dropped out the second Sherrod essentially announced.
    2) Hackett's folks were pissed because Brown had told Hackett that he wasn't running and then pulled the rug out from under him; (no such thing here.)
    3) People actually LIKE Sherrod Brown and knew what he stood for;
    4) Most of the people you're speaking about not finding Brown progressive enough were DailyKos types who didn't know how conservative Hackett really was;
    5) Unlike Hackett, Jennifer Brunner has won an election, and more importantly, a statewide one.
    6) Brown was RECRUITED to run, nobody recruited Fisher but Fisher.

    I'm sure I could go on as to the differences but the point remains.

    Yes, I'm saying it: LEE FISHER WOULD BE A DISASTER IN THE U.S. SENATE. He'd be another hopeless Harry Reid: pleasing nobody as he tried to appease everyone. And he's made no representation that he'd be nothing more than a guy who would play it politically safe every time. Yippee! I'm so excited to send yet another person to Washington who's every decision is guided by nothing more than the path of least political resistence.

    And that's the other difference between this race and Sherrod Brown. Lee Fisher campaigns as a fighter. Sherrod Brown legislates as one.

  • ryanfissel

    Being deaf and blind apparently, I don't understand why or how Jennifer Brunner is better suited to the US Senate than Lee Fisher. You mention jobs as an over arching issue in 2010: Exactly what is Jennifer Brunner's record of jobs?

    Also, please refrain from questioning my loyalty, you don't know me personally and therefore are not qualified to make such assumptions. Since I've said this twice now, I will say it again slowly so perhaps you will understand: I can like a candidate for one race and think they shouldn't run for another office. That is completely possible. Its kind of like walking and chewing gum at the same time. No one has bothered to explain to me how having 2 strong officeholders running against each other when they DON'T HAVE TO makes any sense.

    Also, please don't pretend that Jennifer Brunner didn't know Lee Fisher was going to run for the US Senate. I doubt that Fisher woke up one morning and thought, “Wow…Jennifer Brunner is running for Senate….maybe I should too!” He was of course looking to pull a DeWine…that was obvious way back in 2006.

    The point is, you seem content to assume that Jennifer Brunner walks on water – nothing that is happening in this race is her fault. This primary is stupid and shouldn't be happening. The fact that now more liberal Democrats may skip over the Secretary of State's race because they can't stomach a conservative Democrat is not Marilyn Brown's fault.

    Oh, and yes, I will question whether or not you're going to vote for Rob Portman. Honestly with the way you've been savaging Fisher here, I would imagine that you would have no other choice.

  • ryanfissel

    Oh, and before I get accused of not disclosing..I DO NOT work for anyone running for US Senate in the state of Ohio! Just thought I would share!

  • bill

    Is anyone on this blog willing to take up ryan fissel’s $100.00 bet?

    Lost in the name calling and loyalty questioning is a refusal to answer that original bet. Seeing as you are all so bullish about a Brunner candidacy, you should be jumping at the bet

  • modernesquire

    Ryan- Please tell me you a feigning ignorance because it scares me to think any Democratic campaign operative could be this genuinely dumb.

    You attack me for saying I can't question your loyalty because we don't know each other, and then you… question my loyalty. In the same comment, even!

    Regardless, I'm not questioning your loyalty. I'm calling you a flat out liar. You've written comment after comment suggesting that despite the fact that you like Brunner as a Senate candidate, she should drop out. Finally, today, you've made it perfectly clear that you've in reality opposed her Senate candidacy all along and your comments indicating otherwise were a lie. All I'm doing is circling that and pointing it out and asking why did you feel the need to make people think, as you've publically written that Brunner should drop out, that you were saying this even though you supported her Senate bid?

    Why, though, Fisher for the U.S. Senate? Why should we support a guy that has lost three of the four statewide bids he's ran and the only one he won was by a little over 1,200 votes? Why elect a guy who's political convictions are directed, not be principles, but political self-preservation?

    Brunner cannot be attacked on unemployment BECAUSE she's not been in a position that is directly responsible for jobs! That's why she's the better candidate for it. The attack of her for Ohio's job losses fall flat because she hasn't been in charge of the State's economic development during the worst job loss since the Great Depression! It's a punch that doesn't land well when used on her. Whereas it's Fisher's glass jaw. When you have a choice between a candidate who is the personification of the worst issue for us electorally and one that is relatively immune from the criticism, which one do you choose?

    Yes, I think Jennifer Brunner walks on water, which is why I criticized her unfair attack of Lee Fisher over Equal Pay and her flip flop on Afghanistan. You know the more you comment on Brunner the less genuine your professed “love” for her seems.

    I'm NOT going to vote for Rob Portman or Jon Husted, it's not an either vote Democratic or Republican thing. You'd think a political consultant would understand the concept of the undervote.

  • modernesquire

    But you do rely on obtaining work that is influenced, in part, by ODP.
    Yeah, there's absolutely no pecuinary benefit to you for going out here and advocating that Jennifer Brunner drop out the U.S. Senate race. Your motives as pure as the newly fallen snow. /snark.

  • ryanfissel

    Lets try again….first off, I think you're great. I enjoyed your writing at Buckeye State and now over here. But honestly, I think its off the mark to call me dumb, which you've done on 2 separate occasions in this last comment. Lets ignore for a moment everything we've written thus far and let me state what my thinking is at this moment (as a fellow Democrat, you understand that most of our thinking is incredibly nuanced – as opposed to Republicans, who generally think in terms of black and white.)

    Jennifer Brunner is fantastic. Her record on elections, as a judge and in her job as Secretary of State is fantastic. She is a dream candidate and she's going to go far…..really far.

    She's going to lose the Senate race. I'm sorry, but…it's over. She raised a negative sum of money last filing period: She spent more than she raised. The DSCC is tossing their support behind Fisher, as evidenced by an interview with New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez. He couldn't even mention her by name. He called out Lee Fisher as the Democratic nominee for US Senate from Ohio. The last time the DSCC candidate for US Senate was defeated was in Montana (I'm thinking Jon Tester here.) I don't think you catch lightning in that particular bottle two different times.

    This is a reality issue. Sure, I'd love to be a idealist and hope that the person I vote for will support everything I believe…it just doesn't happen. The only way to get that is to toss your own hat into the ring. Since I'm pretty sure that the Ohio electorate is not ready to elect a gay political consultant from Youngstown, I've made my choice.

    My point is….Lee Fisher has given his life to public service…he will support my objectives in the US Senate and he has the best chance of winning. Why wouldn't I support him?

    Now, I may be a dumb Democratic political consultant. I may not know my behind from a hole in the ground…but I do know this: The more we fracture this party….the more we whine back and forth over syllables and punctuation, the bigger chance we give to Rob Portman in his race to succeed George Voinovich.

    As an aside: I'm proud of the work I've done in Ohio. You accuse me of being dumb, but I am proud of my work on behalf of Marian Harris, our current state representative from the 19th house district. I am proud that I was able to help the Democratic party win a seat that was formerly occupied by Jo Ann Davidson, the former Speaker of the Ohio House. So, call me dumb or whatever….I've been proud of my accomplishments.

  • ryanfissel

    Right……excuse me while I take my personal call from Lee Fisher….

  • ryanfissel

    I place this bet! $100 t0 the charity of Plunderbund's choice to the person betting for Jennifer Brunner. Someone tell me who gets the money!

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  • modernesquire

    Yes, the last time the DSCC backed the wrong horse was all the way back in 2006. WAAAY back. Two cycles even.

    Polls? Brunner's numbers in a primary head to head has gone up, not down.

    Please drop the pretense that Jennifer is great when you've made it perfectly clear you've support Fisher all along. You've yet to give a single argument how Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman. Not one. Nor have you have responded to anything I've said. Not once.

    United or divided. Rob Portman is going to beat Lee Fisher. You know that Ryan. That's why you have yet to even write the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. You cannot even convince yourself that is true.

    In one comment you write that Jennifer Brunner is a “dream candidate” after falsely criticizing me for presenting Brunner as “walking on water” and ignoring that Fisher (for reasons you don't explain) is a better suited for the Senate.

    It's hard to debate someone who, like Fisher, is a moving target.

    I cannot imagine a better time to go with the perceived “outside” candidate like Jennifer Brunner than right now.

  • ryanfissel

    Come on…this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee – that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts.

    As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm…I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.

    One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner.

  • modernesquire

    Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.

    Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.

    You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.

    Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.

    You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.

    How'd that work out?

  • modernesquire

    I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.

    I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too?

  • ryanfissel

    Come on…this is getting ridiculous. I can't believe you cannot understand that I can like someone but not support them in this race. I know you're smart but you're honestly coming off like you find it impossible to have more than one thought in your head at one time. My point is Lee Fisher is going to be the nominee – that's pretty much how its going to go. Its starting to get painful to watch you contort to come up with a scenario in which Brunner gets the nod. As much as you perceive that its time for an outside candidate it doesn't change the reality. As Al Franken said yesterday, you're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts.

    As to if Lee Fisher beats Rob Portman? Hmm…I suppose we'll see. I think he has a good shot but its pretty much 50/50 at this point. I can tell you this: Rob Portman won't be defeated by the $111,000 that Jennifer Brunner had on hand at the last filing.

    One other thing: Has Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed in this race? I couldn't find an evidence of it and I would imagine that he would come down on the side of Secretary Brunner.

  • modernesquire

    Ryan, the only way you can concluded that Lee Fisher has a 50/50 chance is by saying since there's two general election candidates and one has to win. By that logic, then Jennifer Brunner has the same odds.

    Lee Fisher has NEVER, EVER been outspent in a campaign and won (in fact, he has lost several times. And yet, you concede that he is, in all likelihood, going to be outspent heavily. Lee Fisher has lost in better political environments against weaker GOP opponents than he likely will fact in 2010.

    You cannot even type the words: Lee Fisher will beat Rob Portman. Under any scenerio.

    Yes, it's completely far fetched for us Brunner supporters to believe that because the trend lines show a dead heat races with undecideds trending to almost uniformally breaking to Brunner with 50% undecided still to go, that Brunner could win this thing. Apparently, there are alot of Democratic primary voters who don't buy your inevitability argument. Blame Hillary Clinton.

    You see, at this point in the 2008 presidential Democratic primary, Lee Fisher is Hillary to Brunner's Obama. Yeah, there were plenty of political consultants like you wondering whether Obama's run would help or hurt his chances to be part of the Hillary ticket. Because she had all this money and institutional support.

    How'd that work out?

  • modernesquire

    I'll take the bet and raise it with double or nothing that if Lee Fisher wins the primary, he'll lose the general election.

    I'm assuming, Bill, since you're in a calling people out mood that you'll take that bet? Fissel, you, too?

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